Friday, February 27, 2009

Chris Hayes Is A Dork

I love the guy, and look forward to his editorials in The Nation with glee, but he is also totally a dork:
I actually think his dorkatude works to his advantage. It may just be that he fails to use contractions when he says, "I am obviously being sarcastic". It may have been more annoying had he'd said "I'm obviously being sarcastic", but the combination of that statement when it was indeed obvious and the lack of contraction really makes it.

Now, onto more important things; I'm starting to believe that what Chris Hayes says is correct, that many of the Republicans who have reached the upper echelons of their party's leadership have decided that the best way to win back some power in America would be to stymie Democratic attempts to fix America. If they obstruct many pieces of legislation, or, you know, the sitting of a senator, then they are playing on the hopes that it fails and that they can point out its failure in 2010 or 2012 without mentioning the part their obstruction could have potentially played in that failure. I have no doubt that Norm Coleman really wants to be Minnesota's senator. But really, at a certain point in time it is more than appropriate to throw in the old towel; and this, along with Republicans voting against the stimulus bill and then bragging about all the goodies they got in it, along with continued Republican lies about organizations like ACORN and what was actually in that stimulus bill, makes me a might bit suspicious.

The game many Republicans are now playing seems directly related to the game they play in regard to national security. I live in a blue state - not a blue dog state, just a true blue one. Our Republicans are for things like gun control laws and abortion rights (not that we have any more on the national scene), that's how blue we are. And even I have heard and seen plenty of talk about how Bush kept us safe for 8 years, because after 9/11 there hadn't been another terrorist attack. The problem with that is two-fold; it is trying to prove a negative in that it is trying to create a correlation between the policies that have ostensibly proven to create more terrorists with the fact that we have not had a terrorist attack, and it is playing the numbers game. There is no way to keep America perfectly safe, especially now that we've (we've) destabilized a nation in an already tumultuous region and tortured people; we can keep America fairly safe, even very safe. But what the Bush administration and those who have fixed upon their talking points have done is to ensure a climate where any hint of terrorism under Obama equals a fail for him, even if those engaged in terrorism had turned to terrorism because of Bush era policies. And that is as intellectually disingenuous as it is politically savvy. 

A less politically savvy aspect of this "My country when it thinks I'm right, but I hope it fails when it thinks I'm wrong" are things like Sean Hannity's poll asking what kind of rebellion his followers would prefer against the country, and Rush Limbaugh hoping out loud and often that President Obama fails; but the presence of such ideas in the overall dialogue lends credence to the thought that the other obstructionist stuff may be less based on principles and more on politics. It doesn't prove anything, but it sure does leave a bad taste in my mouth.

But back to Chris Hayes. Chris makes a point that "the town remains wired for Republicans. It still listens to Republican talking points. We saw this in the stimulus and when you had all these Republicans on the cable networks talking all the time about, you know, their objection to this part of the stimulus. That still permeates the institutional structure of elite consensus opinion in Washington despite the massive change in public opinion about how people feel about conservative ideas and the Republican party. The smaller, kind of insular, beltway establishment still is far more willing to cut Republicans slack than actual voters at large are." This is an echo, though less tinfoil hat extreme, of someone I thought was just insane on Bill Moyers' The Journal on February 6th. Says Glenn Greenwald:
I think it raises an interesting dilemma. Which is, if you look at what the media were saying about Obama favorably, both around the time of his election and subsequent as well, they kept insisting that he could continue Bush's counterterrorism policies that were so controversial.

They were praising him for leaving in place all sorts of Bush officials that the media wants to see is continuity, that he's not threatening to their way of life and to their establishment, for the reason that we talked about before. That's how he wins praise from them, is by showing that he isn't going to change things fundamentally, and therefore, isn't a threat to their system.

At the same time, as Jay said, what he needs to do more than anything to fulfill the commitments that he made, is demonstrate that he's a true change agent. And I think these objectives are very much in conflict, because the more he threatens the Washington system, I think the more hostility the press will feel towards him, and therefore, project to the public about him. And that, too, can undermine his political popularity.
And while Nancy Pelosi may have schooled Rachel Maddow about how effective the Republicans dominating the talking points during the stimulus debate was, I think at some point the dominance will affect American perception of the presidency and the legitimacy of the Democratic rule and liberalism in general. Liberal is already a damned dirty word, and I would like that to change. But as long as the Republicans can play keep away without being seriously called on it, that isn't likely to.

4 comments:

John said...

There does seem to be a twinge of irony in the fact that a president who was elected based on his message of hope now has detractors hoping against hope for him to fail.

Perhaps I'm viewing the past through the filter of bias, but I don't remember ever hoping that George W. Bush would fail at anything. On the contrary, the Bush administration taught me the value of the old saying, "hope for the best, but prepare for the worst."
It seems to me that wanting your President to experience disaster is like wanting the company that employs you to go bankrupt because you don't like your boss; s/he gets his/her "just desserts," but you end up worse off in the end.

petpluto said...

"It seems to me that wanting your President to experience disaster is like wanting the company that employs you to go bankrupt because you don't like your boss; s/he gets his/her "just desserts," but you end up worse off in the end."

And in today's corporate climate, your boss may end up with a golden parachute or still in charge with a nice paycheck and you end up on unemployment!

mikhailbakunin said...

What if John McCain had come into power and his remedy for the country was continued deregulation of the private sector and broad-based cuts in entitlement spending?

I'm sure you wouldn't think this plan would help our country out of the financial crisis. But I'd imagine you also wouldn't want it to work because it would justify further deregulation and encourage the government to make fewer transfer payments in the future. That doesn't mean that you wouldn't want the economy to improve necessarily. You simply wouldn't want our recovery to be connected with policies that you believe are ultimately bad for the country.

I think Republicans do want Obama to fail, but it's far less nefarious than Hayes seems to think. They want him to fail because they believe he's wrong. If they honestly believed his policies would "work," the only motivation they would have to undermine his efforts would be pure, selfish partisanship -- sacrificing the interests of the nation for the sake of the party.

I think that's a pretty bold accusation. There's a much simpler explanation here: Republicans actually believe what they say they believe.

petpluto said...

"What if John McCain had come into power and his remedy for the country was continued deregulation of the private sector and broad-based cuts in entitlement spending?

I'm sure you wouldn't think this plan would help our country out of the financial crisis. But I'd imagine you also wouldn't want it to work because it would justify further deregulation and encourage the government to make fewer transfer payments in the future."


You imagine wrong, and frankly I'm a bit miffed you think so little of me and think me that petty. Would I believe that it would work? No, because that is partially what got us into this mess and there has never been an indication that Trickle Down Theory works; it didn't work in the 80s, and it didn't work in the 2000s. Would I want the Dems in Congress to vote for it? From an idealogical point, I wouldn't want them to, but if there was a consensus among a vast array of economists - as there is now - I would expect a few to put party politics and political idealogue aside for the moment and work from the assumption that they aren't economists and that maybe the economists know something we don't.

But even if I, an unelected civilian in a state of passion over the loss of the presidency, really hoped the bill wouldn't get Democratic support, I would NEVER hope for the president to fail. I didn't hope for the last president's failure when he insisted we invade Iraq; I was against the war, but I hoped that he and his team were right about the timeline and being heralded as liberators.

And now that we're in one of the worst financial crises we have experienced since the Great Depression, I have to say that hoping the president fails is just idiocy no matter what your political stripe is, because if the president fails, the economic downturn continues - because even if the stimulus bill isn't the reason for an upturn, any uptick in the economy is going in the Obama Win pile.

"I think Republicans do want Obama to fail, but it's far less nefarious than Hayes seems to think. They want him to fail because they believe he's wrong."

Then they're idiots. When Pat Robertson is the voice of reason in your movement, saying, "If he succeeds, the country succeeds. And if he doesn't, it hurts us all. Anybody who would pull against our president is not exactly thinking rationally," there is something extremely wrong with the picture. Because it's Pat friggin' Robertson, the guy who wanted us to assassinate Hugo Chavez.

Republicans can think Obama is wrong and still hope he actually is right, that somehow his plan will lift us out of the darkness of economic recession. Because hoping that he's wrong means hoping that this thing continues. Thinking he's wrong and voting against a bill because they think it won't work - and offering concrete reasons for it instead of making shit up like the construction of a rail between Las Vegas and Disneyland - is different than having a lot outright hoping he's going to fall flat on his face.

"I think that's a pretty bold accusation. There's a much simpler explanation here: Republicans actually believe what they say they believe."

I think some Republicans actually believe what they say they believe. But I think the entire Republican party is in entire disarray right now; Bobby Jindal's speech, the absolute failure of their economic policies along with some spectacular failures in their diplomatic and military policies, the talking points of the Republican party against the stimulus bill - those are all indicative of a party that is lost at sea and has no idea how to find land again, and some of their members have decided the best way to do it is to sink the other dude's boat. And, by the way, I make sure in the post to say "many" Republicans and not "The Republican Party in its entirety". Because there are probably more than a few who aren't; Arnold comes to mind, and so does my own governer Jodi Rell, plus Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins and I'll even throw in Judd Gregg and a couple of others who voted against the bill. But I think you're giving a lot of them too much rope and too much credit, because several of the members of Congress who voted against the bill then bragged about what they got put in there. If they were such idealogues that they honestly believe what they believe and they believe that the stimulus won't work and can't work, I can't see them putting some stimulus type stuff for their states in there.